bleahhh
Jul 26 2004, 09:18 PM
| QUOTE (Elven Archer @ Jul 26 2004, 12:35 AM) |
| QUOTE (noelchiew @ Jul 26 2004, 12:18 AM) | ok, just asking. doubt anything could happen to uc's products if you just take care of them. not like they will just rust badly or something... thanks for confiming.
hm... now that you mention it ea, if the mr's sting ain't sharp. then it wouldn't be considered as weapons by the police/customs? so it will not have probs bringing in eh? |
I doubt there would be problems with the MR FX Sting since the blade is made of polycarbonate which is essentially plastic. UC blades are made from steel.
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u answered ur own question bro...its not able to cut anything..but it could stand a few knocks, since u need to knock it a bit to have the clashing sounds....
it looks like its sharp...and metalic...but when u touch it...haha..its just ...plastic...
Wander_fool
Jul 26 2004, 11:12 PM
So EA bro, were there be a prob if the swords are not sharp and made of plastic?

i think maybe juz have to check with spf again.
bleahhh
Jul 26 2004, 11:30 PM
| QUOTE (Wander_fool @ Jul 26 2004, 11:12 PM) |
So EA bro, were there be a prob if the swords are not sharp and made of plastic? i think maybe juz have to check with spf again. |
hmm...i tot i just said those are not sharp?? u no need license for the MR Sting...
noelchiew
Jul 26 2004, 11:32 PM
yeh, so it should be classified as toy collectible or replica. so it's just an electronic toy... no problem at all.
Wander_fool
Jul 27 2004, 02:10 PM
wow... then should be no prob in holding it sooner than expected. Btw do we need to polish it or juz wipe it? any suggestions bleahhh?
bleahhh
Jul 27 2004, 02:38 PM
| QUOTE (Wander_fool @ Jul 27 2004, 02:10 PM) |
| wow... then should be no prob in holding it sooner than expected. Btw do we need to polish it or juz wipe it? any suggestions bleahhh? |

oh..no worries..it could be handled like any toy blade...no fingerprints like its predeccesor frm UC..haha...
finally...can handle as plaes..and knock some ones head with it and still got sound..
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now we can all sleep soundly at night, it will warn u if the orcs are near........
noelchiew
Jul 28 2004, 11:51 AM
my eyes may be playing tricks on me but it seems blades by brown are having some discount on the sauron helm? a good 35% approx.
so if any of you are interested in it, can take a look here:
bladesbybrown
bleahhh
Jul 28 2004, 02:20 PM
| QUOTE (noelchiew @ Jul 28 2004, 11:51 AM) |
my eyes may be playing tricks on me but it seems blades by brown are having some discount on the sauron helm? a good 35% approx. so if any of you are interested in it, can take a look here:
bladesbybrown |
ah....its abt SGD$700...hmm....but i dun think i will get...too ex le..
Elven Archer
Jul 28 2004, 02:57 PM
and that's before shipping.
noelchiew
Jul 28 2004, 03:49 PM
i think shipping would not be so much that when you add them up, it will exceed $1k? caesars' price is above that mark. very exp.
for those who collect the minis, here's a shot of the next sword in line to be released.

by the way, i use photobucket and realised that they have upgraded their interface. not bad at all, looks more mordern/pro compared to the previous amateurish look.
still waiting for the mini hadhafang to be made. i really wonder why nc has their mini hadhafang for so long and yet uc doesnt have it.
just how many of you guys here collect the minis? i figured since i cant possibly afford to get all of uc's weapons, might as well settle to try and buy every mini they make.
noelchiew
Jul 28 2004, 04:29 PM
| QUOTE |
Kit Rae, Product Development Supervisor of United Cutlery/Kit Rae Fantasy Art said this on another forum: it's not just Anduril the does not have the grinds deep enough. All of UC's LOTR blades could be deeper. That is just a limitation of our machine grinders. We are working on a "museum collection" series for LOTR that will be made with carbon steel blades and distressed metal finish on the handle parts, much more accurate than the standard UC swords. We are going to try and get the hollow grinds and fullers as deep as possible. I don't think we will be able to match the hand grinding on the Albion swords, but we should get close. Sting is coming out first and if that is successful Anduril should follow sometime next year. |
so guys would you prefer swords for display purpose or actual functional ones? these "museum collection" will surely cost much more than those available now, and will be quite dangerous. imagine having an actual size sword hanging in your home. what if kids try and play with it? what i head from some other ppl is that these may be limited edition as the high cost of it would means only keen collectors will buy them, while others like us would settle with the currect replicas.
Wander_fool
Jul 28 2004, 04:36 PM
i think i would prefer having non-sharpen blades... its more safer.

but no matter how blunt the blade, it can still cause injuries.
that's why im deciding on having the swords put in casings then place on display.. it can be stored easily with less exposure to moisture.

btw i dun intend to start collecting the miniture swords. worried that there might not be enough space to display all of them.
Elven Archer
Jul 28 2004, 10:53 PM
well I prefer the UC 1:1 replica of the swords. the swords that I have will be displayed in my study. whenever there are kids around I'll be sure to lock the door.
noelchiew
Jul 29 2004, 11:30 AM
in that case you have to take good care of them. you will need to care for the blade, like maintaining them to make sure they do not rust etc... also, one thing good about them is since they are functional, they feel more like a sword then the current ones. they are more weight balanced i believe, so when you take it and swing around, it's feels better than the ones now. but they will surely cost much more!
bleahhh
Jul 29 2004, 07:03 PM
well, functional swords are not a luxury everyone could enjoy...i mean who wont wan aa functional sword over a replica....
I do noe of functional samurai swords that go fro $5k-6k a piece...and they are the lower mid ranged...i mean..it almost toally freaked me out and made me change my mind abt collecting them..
so i say UCs replicas are a good choice for fans like us...so i would say to make them limited peices would be a smart move for them...not many would get them,....
Wander_fool
Jul 29 2004, 07:10 PM
yeah, i agree with u.

UC replica would be fine for us. the fdunctional swords are rather on the high-end. can use the money to get better stuff.
loggers
Jul 30 2004, 01:59 PM
some uc replica are as sharp as real functional sword, legolas knife, hadhafang, sting to name a few.
i even heard that those u see here are already blunted.
to me, it is good to buy a replica but can function as real sword

i even thinking of sharpening my replica collection
noelchiew
Jul 30 2004, 02:35 PM
sharpening doesnt make it functional. when i said functional, i meant that not only it has a sharpe edge, the weight is differently distributed. it's made differently and also the materials are different. the ones we all have now are soft metal, hit something real hard with them and they will be damaged. the functional swords that uc said they could be making are those really hard metal where you can chop chop here and swing swing there wont be bent just like that.
Wander_fool
Jul 30 2004, 04:48 PM
wow! made of hard metal... then i guess the swords must be very heavy.... the anduril i have now is considered heavy, wonder how heavy the functional sword.

sure got problem displaying it.
guoyi
Jul 30 2004, 05:11 PM
| QUOTE (Wander_fool @ Jul 30 2004, 04:48 PM) |
wow! made of hard metal... then i guess the swords must be very heavy.... the anduril i have now is considered heavy, wonder how heavy the functional sword. sure got problem displaying it. |
erm.. the idea of a functional sword... is.. it shld be easier to handle.. thus... shld be less heavy...
bleahhh
Jul 30 2004, 10:44 PM
| QUOTE (guoyi @ Jul 30 2004, 05:11 PM) |
| QUOTE (Wander_fool @ Jul 30 2004, 04:48 PM) | wow! made of hard metal... then i guess the swords must be very heavy.... the anduril i have now is considered heavy, wonder how heavy the functional sword. sure got problem displaying it. |
erm.. the idea of a functional sword... is.. it shld be easier to handle.. thus... shld be less heavy...
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maybe not less heavy but the wt distributiojn will make it much easier to handle...
Anyway dun sharpen ur Replicas...
1. u spoiling it..
2. its illegal...
gingerfish co
Jul 30 2004, 11:08 PM
Saw that there is 35% - 50% at Cesars
guoyi
Jul 30 2004, 11:11 PM
| QUOTE (gingerfish co @ Jul 30 2004, 11:08 PM) |
Saw that there is 35% - 50% at Cesars |
think the discounts are limited to those not so 'hot' stuff...
gingerfish co
Jul 30 2004, 11:19 PM
Yuh the "red" label ones.....
noelchiew
Jul 31 2004, 12:05 AM
yes, it's something like that, making it easier to handle from the better weight distribution.
i didnt know sharpening the swords would spoilt it? and why is it illegal when you can buy knives off the shelves?
just a gimmick. they would nev have discounts that much for popular merchandise like uc's lotr range & mr's star wars range. mostly are those antique pistols, swords...
Oasis
Jul 31 2004, 12:09 AM
heard the sword r sharpen when made
its due to the law here that it had to be blunt to come here??
Elven Archer
Jul 31 2004, 02:29 AM
noelchiew brought up a very good point. so what if the swords have a sharp edge? like hello! we can buy knives just about anywhere and for a fraction of the price. c'mon, who in their right mind would buy a $350-400 sword and go around with it attacking people. I rather buy a kitchen knife which is cheaper and easier to conceal. does this mean the next time I buy a kitchen knife, they need to take down my particulars?
honestly, I think alot of laws in Singapore need to be rewritten. it's such an irony. Singapore is encouraging people to become entrepeneurs but the amount of red tape you need to go through to start a business puts off most people.
sometimes it really makes you wonder whether the laws are put in place to safeguard the people or the government.
noelchiew
Jul 31 2004, 09:07 AM
| QUOTE (Oasis @ Jul 31 2004, 12:09 AM) |
heard the sword r sharpen when made
its due to the law here that it had to be blunt to come here??
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certain swords are sharper than others. you have to blunt it if you bring it here as you dont have a license for them. unlike retailers like caesars and sheares, they have so the swords they carry are in their original state. they dont have to blunt it.
Wander_fool
Jul 31 2004, 03:42 PM
Wats EA says is true... there should be a time to review all the redtapes. im not saying that the government is not doing their jobs. Its juz that some of these rules have been around since the colonial times.

maybe they should have an agency where they can look into these rules and rewrite them after gathering feedbacks from the public.
Juz like in the i,robot movie, u can make all the rules thinking it would protect or save the society. But there are sure bound to have grey areas in or not, its juz a matter of time where people juz think hard and go around it.

I still think that as long people wanna bring replica swords or items for decorative purposes, the agencies should allow or juz issue us with individual license for it. They can juz keep track who is holding wat items. Imagine a scenario when they discover a LE anduril sword lying on the ground as a murder weapon, sure can trace to the owner rite?
Imagine a set of bows and arrows without arrowheads. Thats what my friend had to do... pretty funny to see such a thing on display in his house. The arrows look like long chopsticks.
Elven Archer
Aug 1 2004, 07:33 PM
my contact said they may be able to get more Helm of Sauron. price range between $675-700. very reasonable considering a certain shop has an approx price of $1200+ for it. I also enquired about the Gauntlet of Sauron with One Ring and Mace of Sauron. will post here once my contact emails me. let me know if anyone is interested in these products.
noelchiew
Aug 1 2004, 08:03 PM
$675-700's indeed a bargain price. can save a few hundred bucks compared to getting here. still waiting to see how the guantlet will look like, many people were saying they rather pay a bit more than the price for mr's to get the whole hand rather than mr's which features only a finger! heh..
but mr's nice in the sense the ring's inscriptions can light up while uc's prob doesnt. but money wise for material it does seem uc's more worth?
Wander_fool
Aug 2 2004, 01:03 AM
hahaha noel bro, seems u interested in having the sauron's guantlet? does the mr's version really have light up ring? but the material used would not be stainless steel rite.
Elven Archer
Aug 2 2004, 09:59 AM
yup. for the Master Replicas version, when you press a button on the base, the One Ring on Sauron's finger will glow and the inscription on it becomes visible.
Elven Archer
Aug 2 2004, 10:35 AM
this was taken from a UC forum and by the man himself, Kit Rae, the product designer at UC.
| QUOTE |
Moonglum, it's not just Anduril the does not have the grinds deep enough. All of UC's LOTR blades could be deeper. That is just a limitation of our machine grinders. We are working on a "museum collection" series for LOTR that will be made with carbon steel blades and distressed metal finish on the handle parts, much more accurate than the standard UC swords. We are going to try and get the hollow grinds and fullers as deep as possible. I don't think we will be able to match the hand grinding on the Albion swords, but we should get close. Sting is coming out first and if that is successful Anduril should follow sometime next year.
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guoyi
Aug 2 2004, 12:06 PM
anyone here owns the staff of saruman? i noticed sometime ago.. tat UC's replica ain't all tat accurate.. the actual movie prop features a tapered end... but UC's one doesn't hv tat.. additionally for UC's replica, the crystal ball at the staff's crown is much more translucent than the actual movie prop... wonder why UC doesn't model their replica more authentically and faithfully...
Wander_fool
Aug 2 2004, 05:42 PM
| QUOTE (Elven Archer @ Aug 2 2004, 09:59 AM) |
| yup. for the Master Replicas version, when you press a button on the base, the One Ring on Sauron's finger will glow and the inscription on it becomes visible. |
Wow!!! maybe can consider... but if wanna have the gauntlet, then got to order the whole set.

consider and calculate budget 1st.
noelchiew
Aug 2 2004, 07:51 PM
i'm not too sure about the specs for both mr's and uc's version of his finger and gauntlet. but yes it does glow very nicely i believe, just look at what they did to the sting, incredible isnt it? so when it's off it just like normal but when you hit the switch, the inscription glows just like the movie. that would mean it's hard fixed.
as for uc's version i didnt do research so i'm not sure. could be that it's the whole hand (not arm) and the ring could be removed? but for that hand rather than the lone finger which mr made, i was saying it's more worth as it just costs a little more from what i heard in other forums.
i wouldnt say i'm really interested at the moment. see how it goes lor ronnie bro. cos if i get that part, seems nicer if i buy other sauron parts aint it? and i wouldnt have that enough money to do that. actually, i just may get it alone but i want to see uc's version first.
Wander_fool
Aug 2 2004, 10:23 PM
Totally agree with u bro, lets adapt a wait and see first!

got to see wats the cost if wanna collect all... most probably very very expensive.
noelchiew
Aug 2 2004, 11:08 PM
yes... VERY. because all of them will be very limited as they are not easy to make according to what kit rae said. the materials etc...
it's not bad, though if you notice properly, it isnt 100% same as the movie prop. that is due to material and machine constraints.
so ronnie bro, seems like you really have to work out your finances for uc and ssw stuff. must plan liao eh?
Wander_fool
Aug 3 2004, 11:36 PM
yeah.. have been using my calculator function on my hp freqently... since i started on ssw. Looks like got to calculate all over again as need to add the stuff ordered from EA bro.
Elven Archer
Aug 5 2004, 03:34 PM
well I'm going ahead with the applying of the arms license but I have to register myself as a business first, which means I have to think of a company name. So what I'm gonna do is start a contest. I'll probably start a new thread for it.
Wander_fool
Aug 6 2004, 12:18 AM
Cool bro!!!

now thinking hard for a name... PM u in a days time.
Elven Archer
Aug 6 2004, 11:12 AM
I had a nice chat with the approving officer. very informative conversation. from what he told me, swords with a cutting blade like Legolas Fighting Knives, Strider Elven Knife, Sting and Hadhafang are not allowed to be sold here. shops can only display it. the blade has to be blunted if you want to buy it. makes me wonder how some shops manage to bring them in and sell without getting into trouble with the authorities.
UC Unlimited Anduril + Scabbard --> SG$450
UC Sword of Boromir --> SG$350
UC Sword of Gandalf - Glamdring --> SG$340
UC Sword of the Ringwraiths --> SG$340
UC Sword of the Witchking --> SG$340
UC Strider Ranger Sword --> SG$340
UC Staff of Saruman --> SG$220
UC Helm of King Elendil --> SG$450
UC Helm of Gimli --> SG$450
UC Legolas Fighting Knives Scabbards --> SG$250
UC Scabbard for Anduril --> shipping in Dec 2004. price TBA.
UC Staff of Gandalf the White --> SG$230
UC Herugrim, Sword of Theoden --> SG$360
UC Gimli's Battle Axe --> SG$350 (ship date 31 Aug 2004)
UC Sword of Boromir --> SG$350 (ships in Sept 2004)
UC Sauron's Gauntlet and Ring --> shipping in Dec 2004. price to TBA
let me know if you're interested in Master Replicas products too.
syuki
Aug 6 2004, 12:35 PM
wow, your helm pirces are cheap.I really wanna save up and get the helm.
whats your price for MR Sauron Finger?
noelchiew
Aug 6 2004, 07:55 PM
ea, you mean you wont be bringing in hadhafang. aiyo... i really wanted them. maybe those retailers bribed them?

cannot be so strict that other products can be certain like those you mentioned cannot leh. maybe must pay a little more premium or something? really a waste...
Elven Archer
Aug 6 2004, 08:13 PM
| QUOTE (syuki @ Aug 6 2004, 12:35 PM) |
wow, your helm pirces are cheap.I really wanna save up and get the helm.
whats your price for MR Sauron Finger? |
no price for Sauron's Gauntlet yet but Sauron's helm is about SG$700.
syuki
Aug 6 2004, 08:27 PM
looks like the only swords that cant be brought in are elven swords/knives.
Elven Archer
Aug 6 2004, 08:34 PM
| QUOTE (syuki @ Aug 6 2004, 08:27 PM) |
| looks like the only swords that cant be brought in are elven swords/knives. |
yup. makes me wonder. I went to this particular store before and asked how did they escape getting the swords blunted. the guy either didn't want to say anything or he didn't know anything about it. obviously he wasn't the boss.
noelchiew
Aug 6 2004, 08:35 PM
so ea, confirm really cant bring in for hadhafang? what about ke siao saying you are buying to display only keke...
i dont get it, cant bring in but can display? aren't we buying it to display????
Elven Archer
Aug 6 2004, 08:47 PM
display as in you have a shop and display it in the shop under lock and key. I told the approving officer I'm gonna do online sales.
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